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<blockquote data-quote="Tim McCulloch" data-source="post: 141565" data-attributes="member: 67">Re: Most Audio engineers trying to mixThis.&nbsp; Right.&nbsp; Here.Yeah, I&#039;m a hot-shot mixerboi when the band is good, and a frustrated bar band wanna be when they aren&#039;t.&nbsp; Having nice tools helps - one of the things I use a lot on inexperienced singers/rappers is the C4 or C6 compressor, some of the Renaissance stuff - many of the plugs that help recording folks &quot;help the talent&quot; have a place in the live kit.&nbsp; I went through this with a local support act a couple weeks ago.&nbsp; They had a 25 minute slot and I spent half that time dialing in plugs, but the final results were the last 4 songs that sounded much better than they&#039;d been heard live, before (band wife comment).&nbsp; That makes it worth the effort.&nbsp; I don&#039;t shortchange the mix while I work on these things - that&#039;s why it took half of their set to dial in - but in the end I have to listen to the mix, too, and I want to listen to a good mix and not a crappy one.&nbsp; That damn sound guy needs to fix that.... oh, wait, I AM the damn sound guy!I&#039;ve watched BEs totally hose themselves in a variety of ways.&nbsp; My favorite is the guy that makes system EQ decisions while playing some gawd-awful tune at earsplitting levels while discretely consulting his iPhone.&nbsp; G.R.E.&nbsp; Gain Reduction thru Equalization.&nbsp; I let them do this until I&#039;m no longer amused and then ask &quot;what are you trying to find?&quot;&nbsp; Sometimes I&#039;ll save whatever they&#039;ve done and offer to make &quot;a few changes&quot; for them (usually resetting the EQ to flat).&nbsp; They can accept or modify what I do, or they can recall their previous settings and suffer some more while I go to catering.&nbsp; Fewer of these guys today, but rife a couple years ago.&nbsp; The kind you mention, Brian, are much more common today.&nbsp; I presume they got their gig because they kept a bag packed, a current passport, and could leave RFN when they get called.&nbsp; I can only assume they keep their gigs because their bosses are on stage with IEMs.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown&nbsp; &nbsp; :("&nbsp; data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" />It&#039;s a really good day at the office when the band is great, the mixerperson has ears and chops and the audience is ready for a good time.&nbsp; That&#039;s when MUSIC comes out of the PA, not just &quot;sound.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tim McCulloch, post: 141565, member: 67"] Re: Most Audio engineers trying to mix This. Right. Here. Yeah, I'm a hot-shot mixerboi when the band is good, and a frustrated bar band wanna be when they aren't. Having nice tools helps - one of the things I use a lot on inexperienced singers/rappers is the C4 or C6 compressor, some of the Renaissance stuff - many of the plugs that help recording folks "help the talent" have a place in the live kit. I went through this with a local support act a couple weeks ago. They had a 25 minute slot and I spent half that time dialing in plugs, but the final results were the last 4 songs that sounded much better than they'd been heard live, before (band wife comment). That makes it worth the effort. I don't shortchange the mix while I work on these things - that's why it took half of their set to dial in - but in the end I have to listen to the mix, too, and I want to listen to a good mix and not a crappy one. That damn sound guy needs to fix that.... oh, wait, I AM the damn sound guy! I've watched BEs totally hose themselves in a variety of ways. My favorite is the guy that makes system EQ decisions while playing some gawd-awful tune at earsplitting levels while discretely consulting his iPhone. G.R.E. Gain Reduction thru Equalization. I let them do this until I'm no longer amused and then ask "what are you trying to find?" Sometimes I'll save whatever they've done and offer to make "a few changes" for them (usually resetting the EQ to flat). They can accept or modify what I do, or they can recall their previous settings and suffer some more while I go to catering. Fewer of these guys today, but rife a couple years ago. The kind you mention, Brian, are much more common today. I presume they got their gig because they kept a bag packed, a current passport, and could leave RFN when they get called. I can only assume they keep their gigs because their bosses are on stage with IEMs. :( It's a really good day at the office when the band is great, the mixerperson has ears and chops and the audience is ready for a good time. That's when MUSIC comes out of the PA, not just "sound." [/QUOTE]

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