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<blockquote data-quote="Art Welter" data-source="post: 89217" data-attributes="member: 52"><p>Re: IEMs, Singers and Occlusion</p><p></p><p></p><p>Andrew,</p><p></p><p>From my experience mixing studio headphones, 6 dB of "more me" vocal seems fairly normal, 12 dB sounds like a problem is being overcome. That said, even in an all analog format, there are many musicians I've worked with that listen at a level 10 dB or more louder than I would, not happy until the headphone amp is clipping.</p><p></p><p>Pushing your in ear in further will reduce the cavity size between the ear drum and transducer, which may in your case may result in more HF due to less cancellation, as well as being louder due to the inverse distance law.</p><p>I'm no expert on ear mold fit, so won't say if that means yours need to be longer, obviously they should not be long enough to puncture your ear drums, but too much space probably is not good either.</p><p></p><p>Occlusion (the sound you hear when your ears are plugged) and latency are two different but related issues, I explained the latency issue in the linked thread.</p><p>Both can be overcome with level, but for my taste, the latency issue would cause me to want to listen at far too high a level.</p><p></p><p>As far as your straight analog-only path for the vocal mics to the IEM, did you try this with your vocal or their vocals?</p><p>Does your IEM have latency?</p><p>Proper mic polarity is important for the in ear vocalist (no one else will notice a difference) and between console, RF mic and receiver, in ear transmitter and receiver, and in ear wiring there are a lot of places where a switch can happen. </p><p>Did you try switching polarity?</p><p></p><p>Art</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Art Welter, post: 89217, member: 52"] Re: IEMs, Singers and Occlusion Andrew, From my experience mixing studio headphones, 6 dB of "more me" vocal seems fairly normal, 12 dB sounds like a problem is being overcome. That said, even in an all analog format, there are many musicians I've worked with that listen at a level 10 dB or more louder than I would, not happy until the headphone amp is clipping. Pushing your in ear in further will reduce the cavity size between the ear drum and transducer, which may in your case may result in more HF due to less cancellation, as well as being louder due to the inverse distance law. I'm no expert on ear mold fit, so won't say if that means yours need to be longer, obviously they should not be long enough to puncture your ear drums, but too much space probably is not good either. Occlusion (the sound you hear when your ears are plugged) and latency are two different but related issues, I explained the latency issue in the linked thread. Both can be overcome with level, but for my taste, the latency issue would cause me to want to listen at far too high a level. As far as your straight analog-only path for the vocal mics to the IEM, did you try this with your vocal or their vocals? Does your IEM have latency? Proper mic polarity is important for the in ear vocalist (no one else will notice a difference) and between console, RF mic and receiver, in ear transmitter and receiver, and in ear wiring there are a lot of places where a switch can happen. Did you try switching polarity? Art [/QUOTE]
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